Friday, June 25, 2021

"A solid marriage needs a middle ground" (marriage change)/ Best age to get married

May 26, 2017 "A solid marriage needs a middle ground": Today I found this article by Zosia Bielski in the Globe and Mail:

Change is inevitable, so why do we resist when our partners remake themselves over the years? Zosia Bielski speaks to couples about weathering big transformations in the people they love


“Chipmunk catcher.” This was the man Ada Calhoun’s husband had morphed into in the 10th year of their marriage, and his wife was impressed. Really impressed.

It was the summer of 2014 when the distressed chipmunk got trapped in her parents’ house. “I got this,” her husband Neal Medlyn announced. Like an “ancient discus thrower,” as Calhoun put it, he tossed a plastic cereal bowl onto the panic-stricken chipmunk, slid cardboard underneath and carried it out to the bushes.

They were striking moves Calhoun had never witnessed from her musician husband before. “To feel awed by a man I thought I knew completely: It’s a shock when that happens after so many years. And a boon,” she writes in Wedding Toasts I’ll Never Give, her very funny, new book of essays on modern marriage.

Chipmunk catching was one change of many in the couple’s relationship. The two met in 2000 and their marriage had moved through its honeymoon phase and early child-rearing years. By 2015, they had bought a home in the country and were entering deep domestication, delighting in gardening and cooing over cardinals swooping down on their bird feeder.

Husband and wife had both drastically changed over the course of the marriage. 

Lucky for them, they had changed together: “Our alien selves were remarkably compatible,” Calhoun writes.

Evolution (or de-evolution, in some cases) is inevitable in long-term committed relationships, as people morph from who they were on first meeting into someone else. 

Spouses decide they want to quit their jobs and launch into surprising second careers. They itch to move to foreign countries. They take up hard-core fitness regimens and time-consuming hobbies. They try on new religions, dabble in radical political ideologies or embark on self growth.

Partners change too much or not enough, at least according to their significant others. 

Some people grow apart and change in two different directions – the “no-fault version,” said Calhoun, who interviewed many spouses who had been married for 20-plus years. 

Many told her they felt like they’d been in three marriages, just all to the same person. Some rode out the changes while others got off the ride.

“People were on different schedules,” Calhoun said in an interview from Brooklyn, N.Y.

 “Somebody would change one way and the spouses would be incompatible, sometimes for months or years. 

Then one spouse would change in a way so they synced back up again – if they stuck around long enough. Those who got divorced, they didn’t feel it was going to come back around.”

Since change in marriage is a more nebulous challenge than infidelity, abuse or financial duplicity, spouses have a harder time deciding how to react to it. 

“People like to see long-term relationships as just getting better and stronger, but that’s not how most relationships go. Things end and start over, multiple times,” Calhoun said. 

“Change is not something we talk a lot about, because it suggests failure and having to start from scratch again.”

For Catherine Connors, a drastically redirected career path tested her marriage of 20 years not once, but twice. Five years after wrapping up a PhD in political science at the University of Toronto in 2006, Connors found herself being recruited as editor-in-chief for Babble.com, an online magazine for parents; this on the heels of a popular parenting blog she’d launched called Her Bad Mother. The family would be moving to New York.

“We had a fairly laid-back life in the GTA. It was going to be a sleepy academic writerly life for me and my husband was going to work in television,” said Connors, 46. “Now, he was going to have to become a stay-at-home dad. This was a significant career change that I had never, ever signalled that I was aspiring towards.”

Having previously worked in the film and television industry, Connors’s husband resented the life change. “I kind of hated it. It was a huge change to not be working,” said Kyle Magill, 56. “Sitting back and watching her successes eclipse anything I had ever done, my fragile male ego found that challenging. … It was a real struggle.”

In 2015, the couple and their two children, now 9 and 11, moved again to Los Angeles, where Connors launched a consulting and media development company. “My husband wanted us to land somewhere settled and happy, but I had turned our lives into a cycle of striving and competing and working,” she said.

Open, “no holds barred” lines of communication saved the marriage, as did a commitment to their family. 

They saw a life coach together and he’s seen therapists solo to “figure out what’s going on with me around the relationship,” Magill said. 

Ultimately, the two decided to get acquainted with these new incarnations of each other. 

“It was a commitment to allow each other to change and to get to know each other again and again, as needed,” Connors said.

In Calgary, Leanne Shirtliffe and her husband, Christopher Hughes, have their own techniques for dealing with marital change: humour, and viewing marriage as a “Venn diagram.”

“There’s the part in the Venn diagram where the two circles cross over, which couples need,” said Shirtliffe, a high-school English teacher. “Kids are in there and so are common interests, though those change. But we are pretty adamant about keeping the Venn diagram from morphing into one big circle. I want my husband to have his interests and pursue his passions, and he does that for me, too.”

In other words, the two don’t want to be the same amorphous blob. Instead, they celebrate the spheres of each other that are unique and evolving. 

“The core of who we are is more or less the same,” Shirtliffe, 46, said. “The pendulum swings really far, but then it has to find centre point.”

Their 17-year-long marriage has survived moving countries three times, big career changes and overturned traditional breadwinner roles. Hughes, 54, quit working as a librarian to take care of their twins while she added writing alongside a full-time job.

“It’s disconcerting to stand on shifting ground,” Shirtliffe said. “And no one tells you that – how much things are going to change. If you get through the stormy seas of change, often it’s a better place. But it doesn’t feel like that in the middle of it.”

For Tanis Miller and Bruce Winder of Kingman, Alta., the sudden death of their extremely disabled five-year-old son, Shale, in 2005 proved to be the most tragic upheaval of their 20-year marriage. 

“I grieved wildly differently than my husband did,” Miller, 41, recalled. “I wanted everything to stay the same at home. His immediate reaction was that he needed change.”

Winder, 42, quit his job and got a position that took him away from home, his grieving wife and two other children. The abrupt decision scared Miller, although, eventually, she understood it was a necessary shift for her husband, who has worked in various parts of the Fort McMurray oil sands as a welder and site manager for more than 10 years.

“He wasn’t running away from home or from the grief. He was changing and surviving,” Miller said. “It forced the kids and I to do things differently, and we pulled together as a team. This has been a theme in our marriage: When one of us needs a shove, the other one’s behind us to give us the old boot in the ass.”

While some couples persevere through change, many others bail. Marni Sky, co-founder of Toronto-based online support network Divorce Angels, points to the rise of “grey divorce” as one result of couples growing in separate directions.

“When people get married young, they were totally different people in their 20s and 30s than they are in their 50s and 60s,” Sky said. 

“How many friends do you have from your elementary school years? Probably you have a few because they’re old friends, but not necessarily because you’d make friends with them today. It’s the same thing.”

People often feel betrayed by and estranged from their spouses, as though they’ve violated the marriage contract by changing.

“You fall in love with a person. If they suddenly decide to take up mountain climbing or become vegan or put on a ton of weight, it can be easy to feel like: ‘This isn’t what I signed up for. I signed up for who you were when we met,’” Calhoun explained.

Such expectations are unrealistic and willfully blind. Maybe it’s time for a rethink on the non-thinking around change in marriage, about how we seem completely stunned by it and form unfair double standards. 

Given our cultural tendency toward encouraging personal growth, maybe we should extend the same consideration to our spouses.

“If people look inward, would they be happy to be the exact same way they were in their 20s?” Sky asks. “That’s doubtful. We’re human and we want to grow.”

Calhoun’s prescription is “under-reaction” – literally caring less about change – especially since much of it is transitory. “We would do well to remember that what we do for a living, what hobbies we prefer, what we weigh, what kind of mood we’re in – it’s most likely temporary,” she writes.

Perhaps more interesting is her advice to wait it out. Maybe you will like your husband’s next phase a lot more than previous versions, if you don’t panic and sit tight through this one. 

Or, as Calhoun posits in the book: “Maybe the person you’re on your way to becoming will like this new partner better.”

The author believes the day her husband caught the rogue chipmunk was pivotal in a marriage that had grown predictable.

“I would never have thought him capable of that kind of prowess, manliness and skill – and here he was,” Calhoun said. “He looked totally new to me in that moment and since then, he’s had that aura of somebody who gets stuff done. He was not that man when I first met him. But he became a chipmunk catcher and I really liked it. And I still like it.”



Dinosaur comic: On Jan. 9, 2021: I found this on Facebook:

Panel 1:

Dinosaur: I'll love you forever.

Panel 2:

Turtle: What if I change?

Panel 3:

Dinosaur: Everybody changes.

Panel 4:

Dinosaur: I'm happy I'll have the chance to get to know you all over again.



Sept. 16, 2017 Best age to get married:

After analysing data from the 2006-10 and 2011-13 National Survey of Family Growth (NSFG), the study, which was lead by Nick Wolfinger, suggested that to boost the chances of a lasting marriage, couples should get hitched between the ages of 28 and 32.

Unsurprisingly, researchers found that the divorce risk is higher when you’re younger (with couples who marry in their teens having the highest chance of divorce), before steadily reducing towards your late 20s and early 30s.

Experts have dubbed this 28-32 period the “Goldilocks zone”, but as soon as you’re past the just-right age region, the divorce risk starts to increase again, with the chance of divorce increasing five per cent for every year after 45 that a marriage begins.



This week's theme is about dating and marriage:

"Doggie parks over dating sites"/ "Young singles now a majority"



"My wife has gained weight, and if things don't change I'll want a divorce"/ "Transparency is the answer to a cycle of infidelities"




My week: 



Jun. 17, 2021  "Mother's tears after finding car note from stranger after school run": Today I found this article by Ross McGuinness on Yahoo News:

A mother has said she “started tearing up” after finding a note of support on her car from a stranger.

Genevieve Spark had just completed a stressful school run with her three children and had parked her car outside the Matalan store in Halton, Leeds.

When she returned to her car to see the note slid in behind a door handle, she thought the worst.

But when she opened it she found it contained a supportive written message.

It read: “You have beautiful children! Thanks for making me smile today from my car.

“From one mum to another - you are doing a fab job!”

The note was signed by “Sarah”.

She added: “From one stranger to another and one mother to another, thank you so much for this amazing message to me this morning.

“It honestly made my day. You just never know how someone might be feeling and this definitely made me feel better at that moment in time!”

Ms Spark told Leeds Live that after parking, she had fed her baby in the driver’s seat, and that a woman in another car had smiled at her.

She said Sarah had since got in touch with her after the Facebook post was widely shared online.

Mother in tears upon finding heartfelt note from stranger on her car (yahoo.com)

Jun. 15, 2021 "MacKenzie Scott donates another $2.7 billion, blasts wealth gap": Today I found this article by Sophie Alexander on the Financial Post:

MacKenzie Scott, the billionaire philanthropist and Jeff Bezos’s ex-wife, has given US$2.7 billion to a variety of charities, she wrote in a blog post Tuesday, bringing her total donations since her first giving spree in July 2020 to US$8.5 billion.

Scott, 51, shook up the philanthropy world last year with the pace and magnitude of her giving. This time she donated to 286 organizations from the Alvin Ailey American Dance Theatre to racial equity funds in philanthropy and journalism. This is her first time announcing donations since she remarried to Dan Jewett, a Seattle science teacher.

“Me, Dan, a constellation of researchers and administrators and advisors — we are all attempting to give away a fortune that was enabled by systems in need of change,” Scott, who is worth almost US$60 billion, wrote in the post. “We are governed by a humbling belief that it would be better if disproportionate wealth were not concentrated in a small number of hands, and that the solutions are best designed and implemented by others.”



Jun. 24, 2021 "Justin Timberlake supports Britney Spears: 'No woman should ever be restricted from making decisions about her own body'": Today I found this article by Taryn Harding on Yahoo News:

Justin Timberlake wants to #FreeBritney.

Timberlake reacted to Wednesday's bombshell hearing in which Britney Spears spoke about her "abusive" conservatorship for the first time in 13 years. 

"After what we saw today, we should all be supporting Britney at this time," he began. "Regardless of our past, good and bad, and no matter how long ago it was… what's happening to her is just not right. No woman should ever be restricted from making decisions about her own body."

Among the shocking revelations from Spears during her conservatorship hearing was that she says she is restricted from choosing whether or not to be on birth control. The icon revealed she would like to get married and have kids but says she is not allowed to remove her IUD. She has been dating her boyfriend, Sam Asghari, since 2016. 

Spears has no access to her nearly $60 million fortune, which has been managed by her father, Jamie Spears, for most of the last decade. She compared her dad to a sex trafficker. 

"No one should EVER be held against their will… or ever have to ask permission to access everything they've worked so hard for," Timberlake added, saying both he and wife, Jessica Biel, "send our love, and our absolute support to Britney during this time."

Timberlake concluded, "We hope the courts, and her family make this right and let her live however she wants to live." Biel retweeted her husband's messages.

Justin Timberlake supports Britney Spears after conservatorship hearing (yahoo.com)

My opinion: Britney needs to get a team of financial advisors, planners, and lawyers to help her manage this money and make sure she makes good financial decisions.  It's like if she wants to make a big purchase like a car or invest in a startup, then she would have to have a meeting with them and show them why she wants to do this and there is a waiting period. 

I also side with what a woman wants to do with her body and the whole pro-choice situation.

She also needs to see a therapist for a psych evaluation to prove that she is mentally fit.




Jun. 20, 2021 The Republic of Sarah: You can watch this show on City TV on Mon. nights at 8pm.

If you have Telus on Demand, you can watch the episodes you missed like the pilot until Jul. 2, 2021.



Kung Fu: I finished watching FBI: Most WantedBig Sky, and Nancy Drew.  I wanted to watch something lighter so I watched 5 episodes in a week.  This is from Christina M. Kim (wrote for Blindspot) and Martin Gero (who created Blindspot).  I didn't really like it.  I don't know if I will watch the rest of the season.



Law and Order: Organized Crime: I watched 7 episodes in a week.  This show is really good with the acting and writing.  This show got renewed and I will probably watch all the episodes in a couple of weeks.



Nurses: I wrote that I saw the first season and thought this was an average Canadian medical drama.  I'm grading this against all the Canadian dramas I watch like The Listener and Rookie Blue.  I like law enforcement dramas.  However, I would say this show is solid.




Walker: This show came out on the CW in Jan. 2021.  I thought the pilot was average and recorded the series.  I then saw the 2nd episode in Jun.  I don't really like this and may end up deleting this.




Jun. 23, 2021 Summer TV shows: There are hardly any written dramas in the summer.  There are a lot in the fall.  A few new shows come out in mid-season (Jan. and Feb.), and a few in spring (Mar. and Apr.), and very few in the summer.  

There are a lot of TV shows from fall to spring, so that's why I record and save all of them so I can watch them during the summer when there aren't a lot of written dramas on.

I will be watching this:

1. The Republic of Sarah
2. Nurses
3. Kung Fu
4. In the Dark
5. Fantasy Island (this comes out on Aug. 10, 2021)

"My wife has gained weight, and if things don't change I'll want a divorce"/ "Transparency is the answer to a cycle of infidelities"

Feb. 27, 2017 "My wife has gained weight, and if things don't change I'll want a divorce": Today I found this advice column by David Eddie in the Globe and Mail:

The question

I’ve been together with my wife for nine years, married just over three. She was a soccer player, very fit, and exactly what I wanted from a wife so I stuck with her. But she gained 80 pounds about two years into our relationship. I always saw her working it out and getting back to her old self. 

Instead, she has regressed further, both physically and personality-wise, whereas I am very driven and active and want to experience all I can in life. I’m at the point where if she doesn’t take things seriously soon, I’ll want a divorce. Is this wrong of me to want a deeper connection and attraction? I’ve given so much time to waiting without result.

The answer

It’s funny: We live in a culture where this is a taboo topic. It’s “fat shaming,” we should all be happy with our bodies the way they are, and so on.

And to be honest, I’d feel a lot more comfortable with this question if the sexes were reversed and it was a wife complaining about a husband.

Also, I’d love to drop bromides like: These considerations shouldn’t matter, it’s the love and spiritual connection that counts, the main thing is communication and whether you’re soulmates.

But I just can’t. Time and experience and everyone I talk to and everything I’ve read indicate otherwise.

Google “my spouse got fat.” Hundreds of online forums pop up. You tend to hear more from the women, and the common thread is along the lines of: “I love my husband, he has a great personality, but he’s become a tubby hubby and refuses to do anything about it. Now I’m finding I’m not attracted to him and thinking of leaving him. What do I do?”

It’s been a problem for me, too, I won’t lie. My wife loves me, we’re soulmates, but I’ve always wrestled with my weight. And I know my wife has wrestled with it (my weight) too.

Time passes and wrinkles and grey hair happen to everyone, but she has the right to a reasonable facsimile of the hot guy she married.

Or at least someone who’s trying. And I do: I go to the gym (I live across the street from one, so I really have no excuse), watch what I eat. I fight the fight. If I decided just to pull the ripcord and let myself go, I think you’d have to stick a fork in her, because she’d be done.

(Cyril Connolly famously said: “Imprisoned in every fat man, a thin one is wildly signalling to be let out.” But Kingsley Amis was truer and funnier, I think: “Outside every fat man is an even fatter one trying to close in.”)

Which leads me to your question. Two words jump out: “regressed” and “divorced.”

Are you sure it’s not a medical or psychological issue? If so, she should see a shrink or a doctor prontissimo.

If not – well, it’s unclear if you’re communicating your concerns, or the gravity of your concerns, but if you aren’t you should start to do so immediately.

But you have to do it gently, tactfully. Gaining weight can be a vicious cycle: you get fatter, you get depressed about it, gain more weight, etc.

You have to help her, not hurt her. It’s a fine line between insulting and “fat shaming” a person and making them even more depressed and self-conscious, and encouraging and praising them into getting their old self/mojo back. 

It takes delicacy and diplomacy. Show her you care.

Meanwhile: Have you taken a long look at the man in the mirror and asked if he really loves his wife? 

It was interesting, I thought, you mentioned she was fit and a soccer player and “everything you wanted in a wife,” but not one word about her personality or loving her or being soulmates. 

Could you have gotten married for the wrong reasons? If so, the sooner you open the Yellow Pages to “Lawyers – Divorce” the better, so she’s still got time to find someone who really loves her.

If you can honestly say you love her, then realize: These things go in cycles. According to my calculations, in your eyes she’s been overweight for seven years – a long time, but not that long, really. If you love her, give her more time to get her old self/mojo back.

Encourage her. Praise her efforts. Maybe keep healthier food around the house, and suggest you exercise together – even if it’s just something mellow, especially at first, like going for a walk together.

But ultimately motivation has to come from within. She has to want it herself. No amount of hassling or browbeating or encouragement or praise is going to change that.


The comments: Right now there are 64 comments.  I read the first 4.

Ridgeway2
5 days ago

Geez, if you wanted someone to play soccer with, join a team rather than get married.

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shoshanab
4 days ago

The problem is not the weight. it's the behavioural change. Look I've always been bigger, but by bigger I mean 20 pounds, that I gain and lose over and over for 25 years, not 80. And I can tell you that extra 20 goes along with a depressed attitude, no fun and not feeling great about things. And that's just 20 pounds. No one gains 80 pounds without a psychological issue.

Ignore the weight. Get counseling. Clear out the cupboards. Spend time together. See what happens.

Then again maybe she senses your lack of attraction and its a vicious circle. If that's the case then maybe counseling won't be enough. But when you leave her you gotta know she is going to lose that 80 pounds, glow with new found love and happiness and look smokin' hot again for some one else, so be prepared for that.

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schmingus
1 day ago

So why does it take that to look "smokin' hot again? Why can't she look smokin' hot for her husband? So he's damned if he leaves her and damned if he doesn't. I wonder if this is where that saying "you can't have your cake and eat it" came from.
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j_wilson
22 hours ago

Because she's depressed - and the problem is the guy who's writing the letter.


Jun. 18, 2021 My opinion: I'm rereading this advice column now.  The article is still up and there are 95 comments on that Globe and Mail website.

Then like 15 min. later I go on this, and I can't read it or the comments because it's only available for subscribers.  I read a few more comments like paraphrasing:

"You will have wrinkles and grey hair if you don't gain weight."

This should be a good thing that I can't read the comments, because I would be going down that rabbit hole.  The comments are well-written, but it's not as productive as reading comments on the job articles. 

Jun. 20, 2021: If you want to be a relationship, then you can read the relationship article and the comments because it's productive and you can learn something that you want to know.

If you're not interested in this, then you don't have to read the article or comments. 




Mar. 6, 2018 "Transparency is the answer to a cycle of infidelities": Today I found this advice column by David Eddie in the Globe and Mail:

The question


I've been with my husband for a total of eight years, married for four. We are both 27. I love him. I have loved everything about him from the day we met. But I made a mistake in the beginning of our marriage and had an affair. 

In retrospect, the affair had everything to do with me and my lack of self esteem, and nothing to do with anything he was lacking. Then last year my husband had three affairs of his own, moved out and came back. I've decided to give it another shot, but I'm wondering if it's worth it. 

The pain I feel on a daily basis is horrible, and I'm starting to think of leaving the marriage. He seems so remorseful, but I can't help but think he's getting off the hook too easily. Essentially, his version of reconciliation was a slew of revenge affairs, screwing his pain away. My version was to take him back and work through it, no matter what he had done. 

How do I get over thinking it isn't fair? That maybe I love him more than he does me? That I could forgive, but he couldn't unless he had sex with other women to make it "fair"?


The answer


Affairs are a tough issue.

Of course marriages can survive them.


Well, some do, some don't. I've read somewhere that something like 30 per cent of marriages survive an affair.


But who knows how they come up with these statistics? And anyway, as Mark Twain (crediting British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli) put it: "There are three types of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."


Each case – each marriage – is, obviously, unique. In your case, your statement, "I love him. I have loved everything about him since the day we met," kind of jumps out at me.


That's not an easy state of affairs, pardon the term, to arrange. People try and fail, try and fail, their whole lives, to find that – in other words, to find someone about whom they find every little detail enchanting.


That's something worth fighting for, if you ask me! But at the same time, you and your husband have inflicted a lot of damage on one another.

Before I proceed, I should probably issue a caveat at some point. My views on the topic of monogamy may be antiquated, antediluvian and outdated. My own children, and their fellow millennials, roll their eyes at them.

"Dad, it's just not like that any more." They seem content to exist in the grey area between "hanging out" and "hooking up" and there are a lot of "open relationships." So: fine for them. Who am I to judge?

But I'm a big believer in monogamy and fidelity and all the other stuff you vow to observe when you get married.

So having issued that caveat, I think for you and your husband to have any hope of success going forward, you have to first lose this notion of the "tit for tat" or "revenge" affair.

Secondly – and who knows, some sort of "renewal of vows" type of ceremony might be involved – you need to pledge fidelity to one another all over again.

And then reaffirm those vows on a more or less daily basis. Also, I've read, and I believe, since there tends to be a fair amount of deceit in infidelity, the best path for you both, going forward, is complete and utter honesty and transparency.

Even (and this may seem counterintuitive) when it comes to the affairs themselves. Painful as it may seem, you need to tell each other all the details and the whens and whys and wherefores.

But bottom line? Well, you reached out to me, which suggests you want to save this relationship.

But you had an affair on him and he had three on you (that you know of), which suggests to me he likes the furniture and architecture on "the cheating side of town" – and my aphorism here always used to be: Once you go through that door, the one marked Adultery, it gets easier to go through again and again.

It may be you should consider throwing in the towel on this particular relationship, and both waste no time trying to find someone a) you will be faithful to, b) who will be faithful to you.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/relationships/my-husband-and-i-both-cheated-how-do-we-get-past-it/article38211218/

My opinion: The advice is to be completely honest with each other.  They should go to counselling if they really want to work this out.  If they feel they are ready for it, then do the ceremony of the renewal of vows.

This reminds me of my Aug. 2016 blog post:

"New checks on 'predatory' payday loans"/ Cottage couple advice column/ Maury's cheating examples


Aug. 29, 2016: 

Maury's cheating examples:

Maury example: If you don't like this show, you can skip to the next paragraph.  Here is some shades of grey situation.  It was back in 2004 when I used to watch this show.

Couple #1:  I remember this white couple.  A blonde woman with some weight on her suspect her husband who is a skinny guy is cheating on her.  They have 2 kids together.  He was put in a room with a "sexy decoy" who is a sexy woman.  He hits on her and he kisses her.  There is a hidden camera filming all this.

He failed the lie detector test (I don't remember the questions).  When they showed the hidden camera video of him kissing another woman, he laughed it off and was like "whatever."  The wife yells at him.

Cut to one year later she says to him: "I cheated on you to get back at you for you cheating on me.  And the baby may not be yours."  He is upset and crying.  Before the results come, she says: "No matter what happens, I hope we can work it out."  He is the father.  The audience cheers.

My opinion: I see the husband is 55% wrong because he cheated on her first and didn't feel guilty about it.  She is 45% wrong because she cheated, but she wouldn't have if he hadn't cheated on her first.  Two wrongs don't make a right, but in this case it does.  I 100% see this marriage lasting because they're even and all the kids are theirs.  If he wasn't the father, I would still say the marriage was going to last.

Do you think this marriage is going to last?

A. It will last.

B. It will not last.

C. Undecided.

It's totally fine, if you guys disagree with me and say the marriage isn't going to last.

Sept. 1, 2016: One more example is this white married couple.

Couple #2:

1. Woman cheated on her husband and the baby may not be his.  He is the father.

2. They have a second kid and the man thinks he may not be the father due to wife's previous cheating.  The woman's mom also thinks the same thing.  He is the father.  The woman yells at them both.

3. Woman thinks her husband is cheating on her to get back at her for her previous cheating.  He does the lie detector and he passes.  He hugs her.

My opinion: I see this marriage has a 90% chance of lasting.  If he cheats on her, I don't know if it will totally even out.  They would need counseling.


Tracy's blog: "New checks on 'predatory' payday loans"/ Cottage couple advice column/ Maury's cheating examples (badcb.blogspot.com)